Hater Nation

July 28th, 2008
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Must be a sign – literally.

Driving into work this morning I saw a Chevy Blazer with a huge sign across the rear window that said, “blind to haters”.

I read that and chuckled.

It couldn’t be truer because that’s one - of the many - values I live by. Yes, I’m  very hard head (ask any of my friends) but I’m very open also… just need convincing points to change my mind. I’m firm in my thoughts and beliefs but if shown other valid points, I have switched sides unlike some others who cement themselves in theirs no matter what.

So here comes a poster yesterday with his/her comment,

logic1201:
I tried to read this site and the comments….No wonder our schools are so far behind the nation. You make think that all this pidgin is “neat, insider” stuff, but it just shows that the people of Hawaiicannot write simple Engish. And your children cannot write in English either. Shame on all of you!

Then posted again to correct him/herself, 

Sorry, I typed incorrectly. I meant to say “may” not “make.”

Like deja vu yeah? We just had this blog about a week or two ago no? Well da Kwonics sure handled logic1201 yesterday with class - just ignored it and turned da other "cheek". All I gotta say is dis. Pidgin is part of Hawaii culture, if you can't speak/understand it, don't hate on it. So what about Southerners? New Yorkers? Popolo's? They all got their own "pidgin" too.

Our schools are behind because parents don't invest time in their children with school work and values - and yes, some teachers don't rise up to the challenge either but as another Kwonic put, EVERY occupation has those.

And write simple "Engish"? You should check your own typo's before you post too - just hating back at 'cha.

To put it another way, do you think that most local people are that ignorant to not "turn it off" when need be? I didn't get all my previous jobs by wala'au(ing) in pidgin - sure as heck my resume wasn't in pidgin.

'Nuff already.

Funny thing is before I read that (yeah, you guys know by now I read EVERY post), I was going to blog about another hater topic. Again, jus' fo you MoOgoo.

Rail. Yeah, I'm late cause I like all da other blogger's talk about it first but das how I roll - I jus' catch da leftovahs. 

I'll be upfront and say I'm all for rail. Will I use it? Maybe - definetly not regularly but you know wat? It's an option for every single kama'aina on dis island! Will it solve our congestion? Heck no! But it will help no mattah how manini.

What's da deal wit all da haters? I haven't heard any solutions from them - wat mo' can we do on dis rock? Do we limit the number of cars each family can get? I guarantee dat once the car manufacturers get on board with building mo' efficient vehicles dat going get choke mo' cars on da road anyways!

People need options to make decisions otherwise we might as well be living in a dictatorship. I didn't hear any haters wen go! first came into da picture with $19 airfare's - untill Aloha went under. But aftah, I didn't hear any haters about the Superferry now dat Aloha is no longer with us.

I'll be honest, I was all fo' go! entering the market - not the driving Aloha out of business crap though. I was/am all fo' Superferry from da beginning - although I haven't been fortunate enough to travel on it. I'm all fo' options. Hold up. I'm all fo' smart effective options. You up fo' options? Or you one of dem hatah's? No shame... everyone get opinions.  :shock:

Let's be civil eh... fo' those who don't join us regularly.  :wink:

 

 

SHOUT OUT: Happy Belated B-Day BananaFish! Let's not fo'get Uncle Rodney too, our MLC blogger!

And yeah, DK Steakhouse review coming up this week.....you DON'T wanna miss dat one!

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62 Responses to “Hater Nation”

  1. BananaFish:

    eh, Mahalos, BL.

    I had typed up a response to the "hater" yesterday, then deleted 'um. No sense. That's what they want, to get everyone all hu-hu, and start a flame war.

    That's why I mentioned "don't feed the troll," cause they like get everybody all nuts. Then they pretty much shot themselves in the foot with the typo. HAHAHA! Make A! U loser! :D

    So simple too: if you don't like it, don't read it. Go away. Nothing good to say? No say nothing!

    Feel free to apologize to Braddah Lance at any time, troll. :lol:


  2. BananaFish:

    oh no! did I just feed the troll?

    Ai yah!

    :mrgreen:


  3. cyjai:

    1st =)


  4. cyjai:

    Sorry 3rd =(


  5. Scott:

    Some people don't fit in here and they tend to lash out, make fun of local culture and pidgin in order to reconcile their feelings of being an outsider. I see this a lot when I work with military guys at Pearl, but that's not breaking news for anybody here. I did it a bit when I moved here, but if I had known guys like the Kwonics, then I could've seen how cool people here are kept mind open and mouth shut. Time will weed out those who can hack it in Hawaii, and those who ain't gonna make it!


  6. Ocean Lover:

    Bruddah Scott........................... "Au right". ;)

    OL


  7. JuSaMee:

    i've lived in hawaii my entire life and with the exception of a few pidgin words don't really use the lingo...thats just me (hence the name...lol!) and the way i was raised. do i fault others for using it? no...thats just them...there are many successful people who use pidgin...and probably the most successful are the people who can balance it and when to use it. when dem haters come out pickin' on someone or something, it makes me wonder what is so empty in their lives that they gotta focus on others?? you say it all the time BL...don't like it? don't read it...the rest of us lanceformers/kwonics take care of the blog just fine w/out illogical, ignorant peeps...


  8. Chicken Grease:

    You hit the nail on the head, Lance -- our pidgin gets made fun of by folks who hail from from some of the most twangiest, libertarianist euphemistic states in the nation. Heck, I think something as simple as a Bostonian "pahk yeh cyahhh" [park your car] should be considered pidgin.

    I sometimes find your use of pidgin overwhelming, Lance. Not that I hate on, of course, just making an observation. I like the stuff you write about (to this day I cannot get over how hard you were hit in your football days -- a friggin' cracked helmet? Mein Gott). I know you can turn off your pidgin as evinced by some of your entries that have been written in plain English (wasn't you, right, Lance? Bwwwaaa, kidding).

    In any case, what'd the world be like if we all utilized the king's English to address ourselves.

    I find haters are an interesting group. I mean, to allow your day to be ruined by one thing beyond your control or beyond your business (which is most of the time) or to have the inability to be happy for someone else's happiness, well, that's an attitude into which should be delved or studied.


  9. Tankobu:

    Right on Bruddah Lance! Pidgin is cool, to use it is to love it. Different strokes for different folks! Coexist, everybody be cool.

    And a belated Happy Birthday to Banana Fish from me too!

    As for me, I support Rail. I not going be regulars but I going use'em, you bet. For the population, more options are better. No stop progress, again! If wasn't for da last time, da rail would be running today.


  10. Ocean Lover:

    BL, you put it perfectly "...........do you think that most local people are that ignorant to not “turn it off” when need be?"

    If da buggah no can figgah that the posters here turn it "on" to post here (Bruddah Scott's still a work in progress ;) ) and turn it "off" after we stay pau hea, then he/she just doesn't get "it"............or "da kine". ;)

    OL


  11. Braddah Lance:

    BananaFish:
    That’s why I mentioned “don’t feed the troll,” cause they like get everybody all nuts......oh no! did I just feed the troll?

    Yummm! :lol:
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    cyjai:
    Sorry 3rd =(

    Don't cha "hate" it wen dat happens? :wink:
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    Scott:
    I did it a bit when I moved here, but if I had known guys like the Kwonics, then I could’ve seen how cool people here are kept mind open and mouth shut.

    Yeah, some jus' no can learn...sad dat some only get tunnel vision.
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    Ocean Lover:
    Bruddah Scott……………………… “Au right”.

    :grin:
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    JuSaMee:
    do i fault others for using it? no…thats just them…there are many successful people who use pidgin…and probably the most successful are the people who can balance it and when to use it.

    Rogah Dat!

    btw, wea you been? I hope everything is ok with you.


  12. acuradriver02:

    BL,

    It's hard to understand why some people are so judgmental. This is a community blog, not a doctoral dissertation, for crying out loud. People add their comments, however they please. That's what makes it a fun and entertaining blog. Geez, I grew up on the Mainland, went to school for my advanced degree, and I enjoy reading reading this blog, whether in pidgin or "real" English.

    Logic1201 - relax, this is just a blog.


  13. MoOgooGuypAN:

    I don't wanna hate on logic1201 , but like you said BL logic sure hda plenty type-o's.
    My friendly local style advice to logic1201 is that "pidgin" is something that bonds us locally together. When it comes to "pidgin," it doesn't matter who you are or what you look like, there's a bond there. This is especially true when us locals go up to the mainland surrounded by a different atmosphere and we hear da the faint sound of "pidgin english" coming from the background that gives chicken skin letting us know that we're not alone. It's strange and hard for understand, but I find myself looking for any kine local person whenever I'm up on the mainland. Why? Cause I know locals going get each others back. At least if I see another local in trouble on the mainland or anywhere else in the world, I going help out the best I can. Some how we all are connect by family and friends. Another benefit of pidgin is that "type-o's" are allowed, and it looks like it was done on purpose. Hahaha.

    BTW, Scott, you da man.

    Oh and BL, you right rail is da big ting right now. Even though I no catch the bus now, I would make the rail a part of my transportation. Although, I think I going be dead by the time it's finished, maybe my grandkids can go UH without worrying about parking.


  14. kikaida:

    If one can converse in pidgin, more power to them. I look at it as another language practically. It takes some skill to understand real heavy pidgin, let alone speak it. I would say I can speak/understand "basic" pidgin but don't even try the full on kind, end up sounding silly.

    Anyway, I say if you "got pidgin," basic or hardcore, good for you!

    No need fo hate ova hea!


  15. Braddah Lance:

    Geez, computer acting up again.... definetly WWD! conspiracy.

    Chicken Grease:
    I know you can turn off your pidgin as evinced by some of your entries that have been written in plain English (wasn’t you, right, Lance? Bwwwaaa, kidding).

    Yes. I was the author of the previous blog entries. I appreciate your observation of that fact..... dat kine no sound right eh? Who we kidding. Mahalos eh!
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    Tankobu:
    As for me, I support Rail. I not going be regulars but I going use’em, you bet. For the population, more options are better.

    Yea! One fo' rail. Well two with me. :wink:
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    Ocean Lover:
    If da buggah no can figgah that the posters here turn it “on” to post here (Bruddah Scott’s still a work in progress ) and turn it “off” after we stay pau hea, then he/she just doesn’t get “it”…………or “da kine”.

    Yea, Scott is a work in progress but he stay tryin'... sometimes.
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    acuradriver02:
    This is a community blog, not a doctoral dissertation, for crying out loud. People add their comments, however they please. That’s what makes it a fun and entertaining blog. Geez, I grew up on the Mainland, went to school for my advanced degree, and I enjoy reading reading this blog, whether in pidgin or “real” English.

    Whaaa? I no talk english? Wassa-mattah you? :lol:


  16. MoOgooGuypAN:

    Sorry wasn't paying attention to the subscript.

    Happy Birthday B-Fish!!!

    So what party Lance's house?

    Oh did I mention my new found secret of poke?
    Here it is. Get the seasame poke from Safeway. Put in a dollop of Natto beans (get at Safeway). Then pour in some Kim Chee base (also get um at Safeway). Mix it all up and you get one one pupu for birthday parties or just cruising in the carport sucking up da brews. It's like a melting pot of poke. That's Hawaii...that's us...Kwonics rule!!!!


  17. opso:

    what troll? ;) yeah....i just ignore da kine noobs. life too short and not worth it.

    i agree with you BL.....it's an option. da rail not going solve da traffic problems right away but peeps like instant gratification. i think gotta start DOING something awready. nuff talk and studies....let's see some action!

    i guess it's da ol NIMBY syndrome....but instead it's "Not In My Lifetime"....."in no like pay for um now, i not going benefit" let the future peeps worry bout it. :roll:

    i live in town so maybe i can use um when i get golf outing West side. dat way can drink up at da 19th hole cause no need drive back. *hic*
    dat's IF i'm still alive when da buggah finish.


  18. kako mochi:

    don't hate . . . celebrate!!


  19. kako mochi:

    oh! i forgot . . . happy *belated* bday to BF & uncle rodney :)


  20. jiggyboo:

    me tinks peeps who blog 'hate' li dat jus wants da a10shun so no mine um-dey not us. we know everybody has their own opinion on stuffs and it's ok if it's diff from mine....but hating li dat is jus so wrong.....if u no like wot u see or heah....walk away....go find dat perfect life in da world and good luck to ya. and as for da pidgin....it rocks. why you tink we can unnerstan one annodah....cuz we spek li dis....and by the way we do know when to turn it on and off as do our parents and we just hafta teach um to our keiki....that comes w/time......so......for the ferry i wanna go one day. for the rail hey who knows with the price of gas i may use it one day....change is good as long as it doesn't take anyone's life...does dat make sense....dang i gotta go back work...have a hb Banana Fish and Rod.....and Lancesirlot...have a great day....it's a MONDAY......
    CHHHHHHEEEEEE WHOOOOOOOOOOO

    First off....HB to Banana Fish and bruddah Rod......yeah unnada yeah oldah!!! AU RITE!!!


  21. M:

    logic1201, even doe you no understand us, we no hate you, we still like you okay. we all one ohana.


  22. roach:

    BL,

    Not all haters are from outside of Hawaii !


  23. The Clown:

    I know this is off the topic BL but i noticed your last post went on all weekend long. Dam WWD. I guess that's one way for stay home and not spend money with the rising costs of things these days.


  24. jiggyboo:

    HEHEHHEHE double hb wishes


  25. King Katonk:

    Braddah Lance,
    Being the resident “Glenn Miyashiro” of the blog allow me to put in my two cents.

    I don’t attempt to talk pidgin for the one fact that I respect the dialogue. It would be a disservice to all the locals to hear a “katonk” ruining this form of language. Pidgin is uniquely ingrained in Hawaiian culture and history and I hold this in deep reverence. My family has spoken this way for generations and it’s not my place to degrade them.

    As I have previously stated, the intent of this blog is not to establish an academic standard; it exists as an open forum for folks to express themselves in colloquial speech. I appreciate the unique contributions of all the Kwonics/Lanceformers. We all have come to an understanding that everyone is welcomed at this blog.

    Logic1201 – you should exercise some “logic” and figure out that if this blog is inappropriate then you should just move on. There is no need to be judgmental and spread hate. You can’t judge a book by its cover nor should we judge folks by the way they write/speak. I’m sure there are folks on this blog who are a lot smarter than both of us.


  26. Braddah Lance:

    MoOgooGuypAN:
    Although, I think I going be dead by the time it’s finished

    Yeah, bettah have enough room fo' my Lil' Rascal scooter. :lol:
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    kikaida:
    I would say I can speak/understand “basic” pidgin but don’t even try the full on kind, end up sounding silly.

    Eh, no worry beef curry! You know it's au'good... bumbye you just Kaminridah(sp?) V3 their okole eh? :lol:
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    MoOgooGuypAN:
    So what party Lance’s house?

    No see below. :grin:
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    opso:
    i agree with you BL…..it’s an option. da rail not going solve da traffic problems right away but peeps like instant gratification...

    Yup. I think once people get passed dat it's NOT going to solve the problem but help, things will move along. Doesn't people realize how much construction jobs will open up? How much jobs for operating the rail will open up?

    i live in town so maybe i can use um when i get golf outing West side. dat way can drink up at da 19th hole cause no need drive back. *hic*

    Yeah! See! Now das using yo' head...or your thirst. :wink:
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    kako mochi:
    don’t hate . . . celebrate!!

    See! Everyone hear dat? Pah-tay at kako mochi's house!
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    jiggyboo:
    ..if u no like wot u see or heah….walk away….go find dat perfect life in da world and good luck to ya.

    Not too many places li'dat anymo' yeah?
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    M:
    logic1201, even doe you no understand us, we no hate you, we still like you okay. we all one ohana.

    Awwww, couldn't have said it bettah myself...well of course aftah you said it. :lol:
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    roach:
    Not all haters are from outside of Hawaii !

    I nevah say dat but wat you say is true too. Get some kama'aina jus' no like pidgin or local ways... to each their own but it's jus' like if I was to live in China - wat, I going try talk or act li'dis? I going adapt and jus' bring aloha. If I no can handle, I going leave. But you totally right, we get some "hatah's" straight from da aina too.
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    The Clown:
    I know this is off the topic BL but i noticed your last post went on all weekend long.

    I know - I was trippin' out! Cheee-hooo!
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    King Katonk:
    Being the resident “Glenn Miyashiro” of the blog allow me to put in my two cents....I don’t attempt to talk pidgin for the one fact that I respect the dialogue. It would be a disservice to all the locals to hear a “katonk” ruining this form of language.

    So wat? You fo' rail or wat?
    :lol: Nah, you "speak" so well...I kinda shame... but I no hate you...jealous again? Yeah. :grin: But dat was a very well phrased reply... YOU DA MAN!


  27. Coconut Willy:

    My Uncle who used to live on the Mainland used to always correct our pidgin English when we were kids. A few years after he moved back to Hawaii, He was using da pidgin. So funny!


  28. Braddah C:

    Folks like logic1201 just happen to click on da wrong blog and den like impose their opinions. Best to just leave um. Da more you push, da more dey push back.
    I'm for da rail too, and da SuperFerry, and for go! starting here. Didn't want to see Aloha leave tho. Probably was more due to bad management than competition.
    From da start nobody eva said da train was going solve da traffic problems, only give us annoddah option. Only da anti-rail guys tink its supposed to solve traffic problems.


  29. Rodney:

    Mahalos for da shout out BL and the well wishes from yo peeps. Tanks eh?

    I was just talking to Wade "Kilohana" Shirkey about pidgin - that guy is a wealth of local knowledge. He was telling me that the structure of pidgin follows the Hawaiian language structure - like saying "ova dea was" instead of "was ova dea". And pidgin was the universal language that allowed the Korean-speaking-only person from the Korean camp to communicate with the Portuguese-speaking-only person from the Portuguese camp or among the local Hawaiians. The men working in the fields also spoke pidgin to communicate with each other because they didn't speak English too well. It was an important tool in our history.

    As for da troll - 'as why haud.


  30. JindoMaster808:

    It's unfortunate that some people associate pidgin with a person's socio-economic standing. I can understand how some people can develop this perspective. I think it comes from a lack of understanding of our culture.

    Many of us are descendents of immigrants from different countries who spoke different languages. On the plantations, pidgin was a way for them to communicate - to break through language and cultural barriers.

    There's a scene in the movie "Picture Bride" where the "haole" landlord gives instructions to the plantation workers who don't understand what he says. The luna translates the instructions into pidgin, which the workers understand. They respond, why didn't he say that in the first place?

    I think that says it all.


  31. kako mochi:

    BL . . . haha, i thought it would sound like a celebration party kinda thing, but what i meant was celebrate our differences :)

    how's this one:

    don't hate . . . appreciate!


  32. Braddah Lance:

    Coconut Willy:
    My Uncle who used to live on the Mainland used to always correct our pidgin English when we were kids. A few years after he moved back to Hawaii, He was using da pidgin. So funny!

    See, even he couldn't resist.
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    Braddah C:
    Only da anti-rail guys tink its supposed to solve traffic problems.

    My sentiments exactly. It's meant to help - not solve the problem. And yes, it's an expensive project but heck, we've already been paying taxes for it!
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    Rodney:
    Mahalos for da shout out BL and the well wishes from yo peeps.

    My peeps? Gimme a break - dey au' your peeps... I jus' get da leftovahs aftah dey pau reading yours. :lol: :cry:

    And pidgin was the universal language...to communicate with each other because they didn’t speak English too well. It was an important tool in our history.

    Mahalos fo' da edumacation about pidgin! I nevah know dat in it's entirety but only knew it was used in da plantation days.
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    JindoMaster808:
    It’s unfortunate that some people associate pidgin with a person’s socio-economic standing. I can understand how some people can develop this perspective. I think it comes from a lack of understanding of our culture.

    Exactomondo! I guess it's jus' like how mainland people dumb down da south yeah?
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    kako mochi:
    don’t hate . . . appreciate!

    Mahalos again fo' offering up your home fo' da WWD! pah-tay! And we sincerely do "appreciate" your offer! :wink:


  33. Ynaku:

    I agree with all you Kwonics and Lanceformers. Life is too short to show hatred. Here in Hawaii we try hard to show the Aloha Spirit. In our younger days, we were taught to show respect for one another. Many show it butu we still have the minority that don't. All it takes is for one to start showing this spirit. When my son attended the FIRST Robotics Regional in Hawaii, they stressed showing "Gracious Professionalism". Basically the Aloha Spirit. This is being promoted internationally. At one Regional, they had teams from Israel and Palestine competing together yet having fun and assisting each other. We can learn from that.

    As for pidgin, this blog is all about having fun. I bet many of those writing in Pidgin are professionals that want to have a little enjoyment. True, many children are using it in school. It could be their upbringing. It could be their parents are from different cultures, countries or pacific islands that don't understand English well. Hawaii is known as the Melting Pot of the Pacific. We all add spice to the dish. Kim Chee, Patis, natto whatevas.

    Pidgin is a way for them to try communicate in the English language. Keeping in mind the English language is the most Confusing language to understand.. What is it? Read (reed) or Read (red)? Present or past tense? Same spelling. WWD?

    You guys are the best to not fight fire with fire. Show love and we invite all to share the Aloha Spirit. Now wea da pahty? CHEE HOO


  34. Ynaku:

    PS I read Rodney's first because he post before you. Nah just joking :) I tried playing both games, but I couldn't keep up with the movie games. Da gang too fast. And Shauna's had too many rules. Was running out of food words. Rodney's we could use anykine word. Can be all Hemjang (Sorry, not our hemejang) or Jukalaka kine. (If you don't know what dat means, please borrow Pidgin to Da Max from your local Library or purchase one from your bookstore. Amazon has the 25th edition on sale.)

    But like I said, All in fun! :)


  35. MoOgooGuypAN:

    Yay! Party at Kako Mochi's place. JindoMaster808 going bring the Picture Bride dvd. Logic1201 going bring da chips...off da shoulder. nah nah nah, just joking. For real doh, we going celebrate?


  36. gmanoa:

    Keep'um coming BL, lataz with the hataz. Always read your blog to figgah out how fo spell the words, cuz I can say'um but cannot spell'um


  37. Scott:

    Above all else, the best thing about local culture is that people here don't place nearly as much value on material things as mainlanders do. For example, while I was getting my master's degree at HPU I was working for a company that sold products to Longs Drug. Sometimes I would assist the clerks and stock shelves with my products. The mainland part of me was like, damn, this should be embarassing. Me, a college educated man stocking shelves! But then I would look around, and realize that no one was judging me. In California, people would push past you, snap at you to get something, talk down to you. Here people were so nonjudgemental, it was amazing! That was a great introduction to Hawaii and I always use that example, and ones like it, when people ask me what it's REALLY like to live in Hawaii.


  38. Ocean Lover:

    Bruddah Scott,

    Let's resume your lessons........you said "Above all else, the best thing about local culture is that people here don’t place nearly as much value on material things as mainlanders do."

    Try say "Ova hea, nobody kea whatchu get".

    You also said "Sometimes I would assist the clerks and stock shelves with my products. The mainland part of me was like, damn, this should be embarassing. Me, a college educated man stocking shelves!"

    Try say "In Hawaii............NO ACK"

    "Learn GRASSHOPPER........LEARN" ;)

    OL


  39. kako mochi:

    ok, ok . . . party at my place!!

    woohoo!!

    but you need to bring a hot single (STRAIGHT) guy for me as your cover charge ;)


  40. Ynaku:

    We all HOT and straight. No need cover. No can come as is?

    woohoo, I like see wat kine comments going get fo dat one.


  41. snow:

    lol... geez, i sure missed alot when i was on vacation! but, you folks never fail to put a smile on my face! :) (i still trying to figure out who i can bring as my "cover charge" to kako mochi's place!)

    when i first moved here, they taught pidgin in school. seriously, it was my worse "subject!" but, even the locals had a hard time! for years, i corrected my friends' grammar - and even corrected their english papers! now, i'll catch myself using pidgin every so often when i speak and i'll use it here when i post. but, at work? no way! i think we all know the difference and know when the use of pidgin is appropriate. but, we better off not wasting energy on da haters.

    i wouldn't use rail, only because i'm already living in town... but i do support it. would like to see a user-friendly system, though... totally coordinated with the bus system. i think we need some alternatives to what we already have.


  42. munch:

    Very impressive Kwonics! being able to turn da other cheek...we shouldn't single anyone out just because of a comment from the "hater nation" but rather like everyone else is saying, jus give 'um time and hopefully they can realize that if it's not to your liking, no need bash and trash, just no read! take more work to click on BL's face & scroll down to leave a comment ah?
    ahhh but i really hate when people assume that just because you're from Hawaii, or casually use pidgin that you're uneducated, lack common sense, or that it's acceptable to talk down to you and treat you with less respect. eh, it's a cultural thing...i figgah you either gonna accept it & embrace it, or waste a lot of hot air trying to tell locals not to use it! :-P

    as for rail...i not sure how i feel about that. i think a lot of people are mostly concerned with the price tag and if you ask me, it's not a manini project that if no work, no worry...this is HUGE! with that said, i would hope that besides just being another option for commuters, rail would aim to alleviate some of the traffic.


  43. Ynaku:

    Welcome back snow. Aloha :)


  44. munch:

    oh and Happy Belated Birthday to BananaFish & Uncle Rodney!!!

    and welcome back snow how was your vacation? :cool:


  45. Scott:

    Yeah snow, how was golf on the Big Island? Course records still intact:) How was Kona CC, did you play the Ocean course or mountain?


  46. Braddah Lance:

    Ynaku:
    At one Regional, they had teams from Israel and Palestine competing together yet having fun and assisting each other. We can learn from that.

    Wow! Now someone should have filmed dat and broadcasted dat nationally! Very cool.
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    MoOgooGuypAN:
    Yay! Party at Kako Mochi’s place. JindoMaster808 going bring the Picture Bride dvd. Logic1201 going bring da chips…off da shoulder.

    You know took me a few minutes fo' catch dat....you know us pidgin' speakin' folk... :lol:
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    gmanoa:
    Keep’um coming BL, lataz with the hataz. Always read your blog to figgah out how fo spell the words, cuz I can say’um but cannot spell’um

    E Komo Mai gmanoa! Yeah, was shmall kine hard in da beginning fo' me too... and Mahalos muchos fo' reading....now to only get you posting.....hmmmmmm
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    Scott:
    Here people were so nonjudgemental, it was amazing! That was a great introduction to Hawaii and I always use that example, and ones like it, when people ask me what it’s REALLY like to live in Hawaii.

    Au'right!
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    Ocean Lover:
    “Learn GRASSHOPPER……..LEARN”

    Too funny you! See how much less words we use? :lol:
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    kako mochi:
    but you need to bring a hot single (STRAIGHT) guy for me as your cover charge

    Dang. You said straight..... but you nevah say mahoo!
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    Ynaku:
    We all HOT and straight. No need cover.

    So wat? You going come with your computer so we no can see you? :wink:
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    snow:
    would like to see a user-friendly system, though… totally coordinated with the bus system.

    You would think dat it would be yeah? Like the rail stop first den the bus come a few minutes latah so you no wait yeah?

    btw, welcome back too! Was windy dea or wat?
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    munch:
    as for rail…i not sure how i feel about that. i think a lot of people are mostly concerned with the price tag and if you ask me, it’s not a manini project that if no work, no worry…this is HUGE!

    Yeah, going be gi-normous and it is a hefty price tag but haven't we collected like millions in taxes (dunno fo' surah though) for it in such a short time already?
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  47. snow:

    thanks for the welcome backs! :)

    vacation was good fun, even though i didn't golf very well (not sure they'd call what i did "golfing!")! kona was hot, the courses were hard, but it was all good! the courses were still beautiful and the company (family) was great! at least we're all able to laugh at how badly we're playing (i mean, my 79-year old mother WON one day of golfing with her handicap! lol... yes, we're that bad!).

    happy belated birthday, bananafish!


  48. snow:

    scott - which course records are you talking about? the high ones or the low ones??? ;) we played the ocean course at kona cc - it's really nice! i liked that course a lot. we also ended up playing at hapuna instead of waimea (it was too cold and really foggy earlier than normal!). i think i liked hapuna better than mauna lani, even though we all had a harder time on some holes at hapuna. mauna lani was nice, but the bugs (midges?) were overwhelming for me (driving through clouds of bugs and getting covered in them is not my idea of fun!) - but, their staff said the bugs don't come out often, thankfully!

    bl - it wasn't too windy most of the time, but it was SUPER windy on our last day at hapuna. i saw my ball, which was flying towards the green, get caught in a gust and make a u-turn towards the rough! WWD?!


  49. JuSaMee:

    so late yeah!?!?! sorry BL...i was camping aka away from technology for a few days!! i canceled my data plan on my cell so i couldn't blog, but the phone i got now, would be junk to connect to the internet anyways!! lol!! so sad i missed out on your blog all dem days!! but i'm back...lol!


  50. JuSaMee:

    jus on mo...so you can be a round 5-0!! lol!!


  51. aja717:

    woop woop I was quoted in a blog...I was so happy. I forget who mentioned it in the previous blog but I wanted to point out again that Pidgin is for some a creole. when you have peoples of unlike languages communicating with eachother a pidgin is developed and when this pidgin is learned by subsequent generations as a FIRST language then it is defined as a creole, in hawaii 'P'idgin. It is a legitimate language with grammatical structures and everything...it just doesn't follow the exact structure of the English language, though many of the words derive from English. I would also like to point out the the whole world has pidgin. One example is the word huh. It has been adopted all across America and most English speaking countries. It has it's origins in China with the word haa which means a lack of understanding.

    BTW I think they have a blog about Pidgin and eduation here on the advertiser site.


  52. BananaFish:

    This dude I work with actually has a textbook on pidgin. I believe it's called "Hawaiian Creole English." What a kook. Like you can learn it from a textbook. Brah, it's all about immersion! But don't speak it, unless you GET UM, bumbai you get lickins like the guy on North Shore. ;)

    I think for most locals, we really don't care how you talk, as long as you LISTEN. Most locals are not super chatty, so when we talk, it's something that we want heard. And back up your talk with appropriate action. Very important. We all know the guy fresh from the mainland who talks himself up, ack all big, and turns out to be a scrub, and cannot do half the things he claims to be good at. We lived our whole lives listening to malihini like dat. Talk the talk, but no can walk the walk.

    The thing is, I think most locals WANT to give newcomers a shot. We know not everyone who comes from the mainland is a loud-mouth know it all who wants to "save us from ourselves." Most just want to get along. And so do we. Any excuse to go to kako mochi's house, drink beer, and eat poke!

    Thanks everybody, again, for the B-Day wishes!

    Time for my Geritol! ;)
    Then I go home eat dinner at 5:00, watch "Wheel" then go sleep.

    ;)

    jus' kidding!


  53. daBomb:

    BL,

    Your are Right on the Money with RAIL...infact, your also right on the money with Go! and the Superfairy!!

    I too, support all these alternative options than just "sticking" with what we've had. I will probably not ride rail, but i bet that if I did CHOOSE to RIDE RAIL, it will WORK...and it will reduce traffic.

    People always say that RAIL will not REDUCE TRAFFIC, but I KNOW THAT RAIL WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC FOR ALL THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO RIDE IT....and for those that dont, well....have fun sitting in traffic and pay for your gas...

    Let's raise gas to 10-15 bux a gallon and see how many of these "Rail Haters" dont still dont support it.


  54. J.P.K.:

    whoa, small kine late with this, but about rail, i'm for it, partially because we, on oahu, are paying for it right now anyway. isn't that what the extra 0.5% for our sales tax is for? I, too, don't believe it'll be a solution to the problem, but it's better than what we got now. I know we live in hawaii and a lot of people are complaining that it'll ruin the scenery, but as it stands now, more and more high rises are being built, so it don't think it'll affect the scenery too much.


  55. JindoMaster808:

    BF quote:

    "I think for most locals, we really don’t care how you talk, as long as you LISTEN. Most locals are not super chatty, so when we talk, it’s something that we want heard."

    Now that's some sage advice. Thanks!


  56. jaydee:

    Geez Lance, some people can take all the fun out of a "local" style blog, yeah?

    I turn the pidgin off and on like da watah hose.

    There is a time and a place for everything and when I conduct myself in a professional manner I speak in a professional way.

    How come dat buggah logic1201 can't figah dat out! lol. Not hating but simply making an observation, ass' all.

    keep up the great blog brah!


  57. Braddah Lance:

    snow:
    but it was SUPER windy on our last day at hapuna. i saw my ball, which was flying towards the green, get caught in a gust and make a u-turn towards the rough! WWD?!

    You mean dat only happens "with" da wind? Dat's wat happens to my ball all da time!
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    JuSaMee:
    …i was camping aka away from technology for a few days!!

    Camping? Wow, I nevah do dat since shmall kid time... miss it. Wea you went? Backyard or front? :lol:
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    aja717:
    BTW I think they have a blog about Pidgin and eduation here on the advertiser site.

    Yeah, right hea! Nah, jus joke. It's hea somewhere in da community forums.
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    BananaFish:
    Most just want to get along. And so do we. Any excuse to go to kako mochi’s house, drink beer, and eat poke!

    Who's in?

    Time for my Geritol!
    Then I go home eat dinner at 5:00, watch “Wheel” then go sleep. jus’ kidding!

    We know you kidding...you sleep at 6:30pm aftah Joe Moore newscast yeah? :lol:
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    daBomb:
    Let’s raise gas to 10-15 bux a gallon and see how many of these “Rail Haters” dont still dont support it.

    Dat's scary....gas in double digits. Only da rich going be able fo' drive!
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    J.P.K.:
    we, on oahu, are paying for it right now anyway. isn’t that what the extra 0.5% for our sales tax is for?

    Isn't the beverage tax fo' dat too?
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    JindoMaster808:
    “I think for most locals, we really don’t care how you talk, as long as you LISTEN. Most locals are not super chatty, so when we talk, it’s something that we want heard.”

    Now that’s some sage advice. Thanks!

    Unless you po-tagee... den you always going talk no mattah wat eh? :lol:
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    jaydee:
    I turn the pidgin off and on like da watah hose.

    Choice words! I enjoyed dat one!


  58. sassy7:

    Hey Bradda Lance

    I know I am real late on this one..but here's my take on your post...

    Pidgin...I could not have married a more pidgin speaking Hauula boy...but I love him pidgin and all...now that we live in Utah..he's come a long way..he wroks with alot of Hispanics youth, young adults that come from Yap/Gilbert/Palau...and let me tell you...his pidgin works for them, and keeps them all on the same plain...he's got a powerlifting team going in the facility he works in, and they can come to the table together no matter the language barrier. I say quite often growing up in Hawaii, and Missouri..switching it on and off was easy for me. But when you want to get to the heart of the story and the emotions all going..the pidgin makes it not just super story...but an awesome story to tell...You know what I mean...all that "mana" just come out...Which leads me to ask??? Who really speaks proper english??? My cousins from Western Samoa and New Zealand think they do??? People in my town think they do??? My british girl friends think the American twang is cute??? So who???..eh neva mind...as long as we can wala'au the way we do and we can accept people for all their little differences we going be good...this world will be a whole lot better and people not going stress...the more we got to "hate" for what ever reason the more we do ourselves an injustice a getting to know a really true genuine person...you know what I mean...bradda Lance....

    As for rail...they just got a new rail system here and it is beautiful!!!!! from my home in Ogden to SLC on rail which usually is a 35-40 minute drive is 15 minutes...so...you take it for what it's worth...with gas prices now a days...rail would be hecka smart.....

    Just chiming in now....choooooooowhoooooo bradda Lance you go!!!!!


  59. KalopaMom:

    Wow, interesting topic today. Pidgin and Rail. I know I'm late too, but I gotta put in my two cents. For me I grew up in Kalihi (speaking pidgin) and now live in Hawaii Kai. This is one of the reasons I love reading this blog. The pidgin and local "feel" brings me back to my childhood. The sad thing is that everyone tells me my pidgin sounds fake. Must be living away from Kalihi for more than 20 years. Oh well...

    As for rail, hooray! More of the silent majority is speaking up. Rail rocks! Of course it is too expensive, but it is a necessity. We spend on necessities. How many people can actually afford a house with full cash? Obviously not many people have $500,000 or more lying around. But we all understand that it is a purchase that takes time to pay off and it is the same for rail.

    And for all those people who don't want rail because they won't use it, I have some thoughts for you. Are you on welfare? Have you ever been to prison? Do your kids go to public school? Have you ever been a inpatient at the Hawaii State Hospital? If your answer is NO to any of those questions, then rail is the same. Government takes care of all the people and there will be many times that you will not be a direct beneficiary, but the services provided are for the greater good of society. Don't reject something just because you won't use it.

    Ok, I feel better now. Have a great day BL!


  60. Braddah Lance:

    sassy7:
    As for rail…they just got a new rail system here and it is beautiful!!!!! from my home in Ogden to SLC on rail which usually is a 35-40 minute drive is 15 minutes

    Yeah, I would assume it would be a quicker ride too and no gas. Do you know if your rail system is a steel on steel too?
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    KalopaMom:
    Wow, interesting topic today. Pidgin and Rail. I know I’m late too....This is one of the reasons I love reading this blog. The pidgin and local “feel” brings me back to my childhood.

    Glad we can make things au'good fo' you! And nobody evah late in posting hea! Although you haven't posted in CHOKE long time..... we fo'give you! :wink:


  61. MaYoROana808:

    Oh BraDDah Lance, What Bu? NeeD SuM BloG SeCuritY. LeT Me Know, I DisPatch'um... A JusT MaKe SurE DeY No SteY In Da BuildiN, I No LikE GeT FireD, YeT.

    Nah, you getum unda raps. Oh dis is Professional Dispatcher, pretty much the only brown skin guy downstairs in da front watching all the weirdos walk in.lol

    Keep up the good/funny work,man
    Peace


  62. Mokihana:

    Da person who wen leave da talk stink comments, troll or not, wen forget one ting. S/he/it assumes dat if we talk pidgin, dat's da oni way we know how foa talk. Therefore, we stay unedumacated. However, like Jaydee said, us guys can turn um off and on like one watah hose. We know when it is appropriate to speak good English so that people who don't understand pidgin can understand us, or if we're in business or professional situations when pidgin would be inappropriate. Cuz us guys not stoopit, ya know.