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Hater Nation
July 28th, 2008

Must be a sign – literally.

Driving into work this morning I saw a Chevy Blazer with a huge sign across the rear window that said, “blind to haters”.

I read that and chuckled.

It couldn’t be truer because that’s one - of the many - values I live by. Yes, I’m  very hard head (ask any of my friends) but I’m very open also… just need convincing points to change my mind. I’m firm in my thoughts and beliefs but if shown other valid points, I have switched sides unlike some others who cement themselves in theirs no matter what.

So here comes a poster yesterday with his/her comment,

logic1201:
I tried to read this site and the comments….No wonder our schools are so far behind the nation. You make think that all this pidgin is “neat, insider” stuff, but it just shows that the people of Hawaiicannot write simple Engish. And your children cannot write in English either. Shame on all of you!

Then posted again to correct him/herself, 

Sorry, I typed incorrectly. I meant to say “may” not “make.”

Like deja vu yeah? We just had this blog about a week or two ago no? Well da Kwonics sure handled logic1201 yesterday with class - just ignored it and turned da other "cheek". All I gotta say is dis. Pidgin is part of Hawaii culture, if you can't speak/understand it, don't hate on it. So what about Southerners? New Yorkers? Popolo's? They all got their own "pidgin" too.

Our schools are behind because parents don't invest time in their children with school work and values - and yes, some teachers don't rise up to the challenge either but as another Kwonic put, EVERY occupation has those.

And write simple "Engish"? You should check your own typo's before you post too - just hating back at 'cha.

To put it another way, do you think that most local people are that ignorant to not "turn it off" when need be? I didn't get all my previous jobs by wala'au(ing) in pidgin - sure as heck my resume wasn't in pidgin.

'Nuff already.

Funny thing is before I read that (yeah, you guys know by now I read EVERY post), I was going to blog about another hater topic. Again, jus' fo you MoOgoo.

Rail. Yeah, I'm late cause I like all da other blogger's talk about it first but das how I roll - I jus' catch da leftovahs. 

I'll be upfront and say I'm all for rail. Will I use it? Maybe - definetly not regularly but you know wat? It's an option for every single kama'aina on dis island! Will it solve our congestion? Heck no! But it will help no mattah how manini.

What's da deal wit all da haters? I haven't heard any solutions from them - wat mo' can we do on dis rock? Do we limit the number of cars each family can get? I guarantee dat once the car manufacturers get on board with building mo' efficient vehicles dat going get choke mo' cars on da road anyways!

People need options to make decisions otherwise we might as well be living in a dictatorship. I didn't hear any haters wen go! first came into da picture with $19 airfare's - untill Aloha went under. But aftah, I didn't hear any haters about the Superferry now dat Aloha is no longer with us.

I'll be honest, I was all fo' go! entering the market - not the driving Aloha out of business crap though. I was/am all fo' Superferry from da beginning - although I haven't been fortunate enough to travel on it. I'm all fo' options. Hold up. I'm all fo' smart effective options. You up fo' options? Or you one of dem hatah's? No shame... everyone get opinions.  😯

Let's be civil eh... fo' those who don't join us regularly.  😉

 

 

SHOUT OUT: Happy Belated B-Day BananaFish! Let's not fo'get Uncle Rodney too, our MLC blogger!

And yeah, DK Steakhouse review coming up this week.....you DON'T wanna miss dat one!

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62 Responses to “Hater Nation”

  1. aja717:

    woop woop I was quoted in a blog...I was so happy. I forget who mentioned it in the previous blog but I wanted to point out again that Pidgin is for some a creole. when you have peoples of unlike languages communicating with eachother a pidgin is developed and when this pidgin is learned by subsequent generations as a FIRST language then it is defined as a creole, in hawaii 'P'idgin. It is a legitimate language with grammatical structures and everything...it just doesn't follow the exact structure of the English language, though many of the words derive from English. I would also like to point out the the whole world has pidgin. One example is the word huh. It has been adopted all across America and most English speaking countries. It has it's origins in China with the word haa which means a lack of understanding.

    BTW I think they have a blog about Pidgin and eduation here on the advertiser site.


  2. BananaFish:

    This dude I work with actually has a textbook on pidgin. I believe it's called "Hawaiian Creole English." What a kook. Like you can learn it from a textbook. Brah, it's all about immersion! But don't speak it, unless you GET UM, bumbai you get lickins like the guy on North Shore. 😉

    I think for most locals, we really don't care how you talk, as long as you LISTEN. Most locals are not super chatty, so when we talk, it's something that we want heard. And back up your talk with appropriate action. Very important. We all know the guy fresh from the mainland who talks himself up, ack all big, and turns out to be a scrub, and cannot do half the things he claims to be good at. We lived our whole lives listening to malihini like dat. Talk the talk, but no can walk the walk.

    The thing is, I think most locals WANT to give newcomers a shot. We know not everyone who comes from the mainland is a loud-mouth know it all who wants to "save us from ourselves." Most just want to get along. And so do we. Any excuse to go to kako mochi's house, drink beer, and eat poke!

    Thanks everybody, again, for the B-Day wishes!

    Time for my Geritol! 😉
    Then I go home eat dinner at 5:00, watch "Wheel" then go sleep.

    😉

    jus' kidding!


  3. daBomb:

    BL,

    Your are Right on the Money with RAIL...infact, your also right on the money with Go! and the Superfairy!!

    I too, support all these alternative options than just "sticking" with what we've had. I will probably not ride rail, but i bet that if I did CHOOSE to RIDE RAIL, it will WORK...and it will reduce traffic.

    People always say that RAIL will not REDUCE TRAFFIC, but I KNOW THAT RAIL WILL REDUCE TRAFFIC FOR ALL THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO RIDE IT....and for those that dont, well....have fun sitting in traffic and pay for your gas...

    Let's raise gas to 10-15 bux a gallon and see how many of these "Rail Haters" dont still dont support it.


  4. J.P.K.:

    whoa, small kine late with this, but about rail, i'm for it, partially because we, on oahu, are paying for it right now anyway. isn't that what the extra 0.5% for our sales tax is for? I, too, don't believe it'll be a solution to the problem, but it's better than what we got now. I know we live in hawaii and a lot of people are complaining that it'll ruin the scenery, but as it stands now, more and more high rises are being built, so it don't think it'll affect the scenery too much.


  5. JindoMaster808:

    BF quote:

    "I think for most locals, we really don’t care how you talk, as long as you LISTEN. Most locals are not super chatty, so when we talk, it’s something that we want heard."

    Now that's some sage advice. Thanks!


  6. jaydee:

    Geez Lance, some people can take all the fun out of a "local" style blog, yeah?

    I turn the pidgin off and on like da watah hose.

    There is a time and a place for everything and when I conduct myself in a professional manner I speak in a professional way.

    How come dat buggah logic1201 can't figah dat out! lol. Not hating but simply making an observation, ass' all.

    keep up the great blog brah!


  7. Braddah Lance:

    snow:
    but it was SUPER windy on our last day at hapuna. i saw my ball, which was flying towards the green, get caught in a gust and make a u-turn towards the rough! WWD?!

    You mean dat only happens "with" da wind? Dat's wat happens to my ball all da time!
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    JuSaMee:
    …i was camping aka away from technology for a few days!!

    Camping? Wow, I nevah do dat since shmall kid time... miss it. Wea you went? Backyard or front? 😆
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    aja717:
    BTW I think they have a blog about Pidgin and eduation here on the advertiser site.

    Yeah, right hea! Nah, jus joke. It's hea somewhere in da community forums.
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    BananaFish:
    Most just want to get along. And so do we. Any excuse to go to kako mochi’s house, drink beer, and eat poke!

    Who's in?

    Time for my Geritol!
    Then I go home eat dinner at 5:00, watch “Wheel” then go sleep. jus’ kidding!

    We know you kidding...you sleep at 6:30pm aftah Joe Moore newscast yeah? 😆
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    daBomb:
    Let’s raise gas to 10-15 bux a gallon and see how many of these “Rail Haters” dont still dont support it.

    Dat's scary....gas in double digits. Only da rich going be able fo' drive!
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    J.P.K.:
    we, on oahu, are paying for it right now anyway. isn’t that what the extra 0.5% for our sales tax is for?

    Isn't the beverage tax fo' dat too?
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    JindoMaster808:
    “I think for most locals, we really don’t care how you talk, as long as you LISTEN. Most locals are not super chatty, so when we talk, it’s something that we want heard.”

    Now that’s some sage advice. Thanks!

    Unless you po-tagee... den you always going talk no mattah wat eh? 😆
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    jaydee:
    I turn the pidgin off and on like da watah hose.

    Choice words! I enjoyed dat one!


  8. sassy7:

    Hey Bradda Lance

    I know I am real late on this one..but here's my take on your post...

    Pidgin...I could not have married a more pidgin speaking Hauula boy...but I love him pidgin and all...now that we live in Utah..he's come a long way..he wroks with alot of Hispanics youth, young adults that come from Yap/Gilbert/Palau...and let me tell you...his pidgin works for them, and keeps them all on the same plain...he's got a powerlifting team going in the facility he works in, and they can come to the table together no matter the language barrier. I say quite often growing up in Hawaii, and Missouri..switching it on and off was easy for me. But when you want to get to the heart of the story and the emotions all going..the pidgin makes it not just super story...but an awesome story to tell...You know what I mean...all that "mana" just come out...Which leads me to ask??? Who really speaks proper english??? My cousins from Western Samoa and New Zealand think they do??? People in my town think they do??? My british girl friends think the American twang is cute??? So who???..eh neva mind...as long as we can wala'au the way we do and we can accept people for all their little differences we going be good...this world will be a whole lot better and people not going stress...the more we got to "hate" for what ever reason the more we do ourselves an injustice a getting to know a really true genuine person...you know what I mean...bradda Lance....

    As for rail...they just got a new rail system here and it is beautiful!!!!! from my home in Ogden to SLC on rail which usually is a 35-40 minute drive is 15 minutes...so...you take it for what it's worth...with gas prices now a days...rail would be hecka smart.....

    Just chiming in now....choooooooowhoooooo bradda Lance you go!!!!!


  9. KalopaMom:

    Wow, interesting topic today. Pidgin and Rail. I know I'm late too, but I gotta put in my two cents. For me I grew up in Kalihi (speaking pidgin) and now live in Hawaii Kai. This is one of the reasons I love reading this blog. The pidgin and local "feel" brings me back to my childhood. The sad thing is that everyone tells me my pidgin sounds fake. Must be living away from Kalihi for more than 20 years. Oh well...

    As for rail, hooray! More of the silent majority is speaking up. Rail rocks! Of course it is too expensive, but it is a necessity. We spend on necessities. How many people can actually afford a house with full cash? Obviously not many people have $500,000 or more lying around. But we all understand that it is a purchase that takes time to pay off and it is the same for rail.

    And for all those people who don't want rail because they won't use it, I have some thoughts for you. Are you on welfare? Have you ever been to prison? Do your kids go to public school? Have you ever been a inpatient at the Hawaii State Hospital? If your answer is NO to any of those questions, then rail is the same. Government takes care of all the people and there will be many times that you will not be a direct beneficiary, but the services provided are for the greater good of society. Don't reject something just because you won't use it.

    Ok, I feel better now. Have a great day BL!


  10. Braddah Lance:

    sassy7:
    As for rail…they just got a new rail system here and it is beautiful!!!!! from my home in Ogden to SLC on rail which usually is a 35-40 minute drive is 15 minutes

    Yeah, I would assume it would be a quicker ride too and no gas. Do you know if your rail system is a steel on steel too?
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    KalopaMom:
    Wow, interesting topic today. Pidgin and Rail. I know I’m late too....This is one of the reasons I love reading this blog. The pidgin and local “feel” brings me back to my childhood.

    Glad we can make things au'good fo' you! And nobody evah late in posting hea! Although you haven't posted in CHOKE long time..... we fo'give you! 😉


  11. MaYoROana808:

    Oh BraDDah Lance, What Bu? NeeD SuM BloG SeCuritY. LeT Me Know, I DisPatch'um... A JusT MaKe SurE DeY No SteY In Da BuildiN, I No LikE GeT FireD, YeT.

    Nah, you getum unda raps. Oh dis is Professional Dispatcher, pretty much the only brown skin guy downstairs in da front watching all the weirdos walk in.lol

    Keep up the good/funny work,man
    Peace


  12. Mokihana:

    Da person who wen leave da talk stink comments, troll or not, wen forget one ting. S/he/it assumes dat if we talk pidgin, dat's da oni way we know how foa talk. Therefore, we stay unedumacated. However, like Jaydee said, us guys can turn um off and on like one watah hose. We know when it is appropriate to speak good English so that people who don't understand pidgin can understand us, or if we're in business or professional situations when pidgin would be inappropriate. Cuz us guys not stoopit, ya know.