Just An Accident?

April 28th, 2009
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I'm sure everyone's heard by now about the tragic accident on Sunday in Kaneohe where a Japanese national was trying to make a U-turn and struck two motorcyclists - one died at Castle Medical Center while another remains critical at Queen's.

But did you know the Japanese national was arrested, booked on one count of third-degree negligent homicide and first-degree negligent injury and released yesterday?

Pretty common procedure we hear about all the time but do you know which one is worse? Bet'cha your hale and your junk-a-lunkah car you're wrong. Ready?....... Hold on to your lauhala skirts....

Third-degree negligent homicide is a misdemeanor, while first-degree negligent injury is a class C felony. :shock: No joke.....

WASSAP WIT DAT!

Dunno about you but I seriously think that's wrong. How can causing a death be "less" of a crime than injury? Not to sound totally out of line or callous, but you'd think the Japanese national would hope (heaven forbid) that the second motorcyclist passes so that he'd be charged with two MISDEMEANOR's instead of just the one felony.

There are some serious issues with our legal system no? Aren't some crimes just worse than others in the common sense of it all?  *Off topic here but just like that stupid law that prevented the Kaide's from living together in the same care home.*

I really feel sorry for the motorcyclist family and friends - anyone who has lost someone tragically - but at the same time too I can emphasized with the Japanese national. Losing a life is never easy but being the one taking it away must be agonizing as well.

Saying this on the err of common sense, the whole incident was an "accident" right? The driver didn't intentionally hit the motorcyclists. So when is an accident just an accident? When does the term "accident" lose it's meaning? When you're the causer, aren't you the only one thinking it was an accident - done totally by mistake? And when you're the one who's lost from it, don't you get defensive and/or want someone to pay dearly whether it be monetary or prison?

So why is that we always comfort our keiki with, "it's ok. It was just an accident."?

It'll be curious how this all plays out, especially since it involves a foreign national.

 

 

SHOUT OUT:   To the Souza Family in Pearl City, Da WWD! Hui will keep you in our prayers and wish you strength and courage in your time of healing.

 

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39 Responses to “Just An Accident?”

  1. Rodney:

    Ichiban


  2. jaydee:

    Not to put a dark cloud on the WWD group but I lost my dad several years ago due to a car accident. It happened so early in the morning noone knows who was at fault. I do know this, the guy who hit my dad sued my dad's insurance company one day before the one year filing date. They settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.

    Accidents are tragic events that sometimes come out ok but most times not. There's always someone who will suffer and that's the tragedy. I'm sure the Japanese national feels bad that he was directly involved in the death of another. Probably not half as bad as the family who had to bury their loved one.


  3. Scott:

    We came upon this accident shortly after it happened. I had a feeling something really bad happened.

    Well, the problem is that the driver made an illegal U turn from the right hand lane, crossing quickly in front of the left lane where the bikers were driving. I think something can be considered an accident if it falls within the rules of the road. If he had followed the rules of the road, this would have been prevented. As to the level of the crimes, that's beyond my comprehension. Just like that Griffin fella that only served 13 years for STRANGLING AND MURDERING A WOMAN, the was released on parole, and STRANGLED AND MURDERED ANOTHER WOMAN. That victim's blood is on the hands of the parole board, imho.


  4. Tankobu:

    Thank you for this post Braddah Lance! This accident touches close to home for me. My sympathy and condolences go out to the Souza family. The tragedy affects lots of people and the sadness is crushing.

    Even for myself, I cringe at the thought of lots of close calls I've had. We are all just a split second away from a possible calamity on the road. Take care everyone, please drive carefully!


  5. islandgirl in nc:

    Accidents, no matter what the cause, are horrible when lives are lost. Recently, a mother and toddler lost their lives here when two cars were allegedly drag racing. The car that hit them had passengers (underage though the driver was not) and one of them also died. Three people total died. The driver of the car who struck them, a young man in his early 20s, was immediately charged but the driver of the other car involved was not. In fact, witnesses stated the woman, in her 40s, stopped, looked and left the scene. Police later took her car in and it was reported she had numerous speeding tickets in the last couple of years. Today, several weeks after the accident, they are also charging this woman. I say it was good she was also charged. Yes, she wasn't the one who hit them but her negligence caused the accident.

    Last year, my husband and I were in an accident where our car was totaled. The cause... the driver of the other car, an SUV, at the stop sign did not bother to check both ways and proceeded to drive across a small highway we were traveling on. I had never been in a car accident before then and thankfully our son was not in the car. The driver of the other car was a young man, underage I think, who had just picked up his friend. I was angry for many months because I knew in any way both my husband and I could have died that day. Yes, please be cautious when driving and be smart.

    Many condolences go out the Souza family. I hope you can find peace someday.


  6. M:

    Good Morning BL! :)

    My condolences goes out to the Souza family.

    This accident, if that's what you call it, was totally preventable. It shouldn't have happened at all. As far as the charges for the driver, it's questionable.
    I agree with Scott, some of the laws is beyond my comprehension.


  7. Ynaku:

    Condolences to the Souza family. Such a tragic event.

    This is a LOSE-LOSE deal. And I agree our laws a backwards. Seems like some crimes can skirt the system. Like they say, people are getting away with murder. So sad.


  8. uji:

    BL:
    as tanks reminds us, in the blink of an eye, everything can change..
    so let's be careful out there.. count blessings for family health and well-being.. and keep eye out for the other guy at all times..

    they can drive however they're going to drive.. our job is to make sure that they don't take us with when they do..


  9. Coconut Willy:

    Not sure why there are so many motorcycle accidents so far this year? Are there more on the road? Is the media just reporting it more?

    In any event, like you've always said BL, it's dangerous out there for motorcycle riders. We need to be more careful on both sides of the mirror.


  10. Ocean Lover:

    BL - "SHOUT OUT: To the Souza Family in Pearl City, Da WWD! Hui will keep you in our prayers and wish you strength and courage in your time of healing.

    Is this a "small world" item? Tonight my wife and I are going to a funeral for the husband of a Souza.....he just passed away, 60 years old.........she works with his wife and the wife lives in Pearl City.

    OL


  11. rayboyjr:

    Thoughts and prayers to the Souza Family!

    The term accident has always been used very loosely to describe a lot of situations. I'm don't want to point fingers or put blame because I don't know the exact details, but if something bad happens because someone intentionally didn't follow rules of the road or laws meant to ensure safety then it is not an accident. I think most car wrecks occur because of negligence.

    Now if you blew out a tire or your car malfunctioned and your car swerved into another car, I would call that an accident. That would be hard to avoid. This appears to be a different situation.


  12. Ocean Lover:

    ERASE!

    Sorry.....I just realized the motorcyclist that was killed is a Souza. THAT'S WHAT you're talking about! :oops:

    I didn't know the name of the motorcyclist and just looked it up to confirm.

    OL


  13. BananaFysh:

    BL -- Yeah, saw this story on the news, just sad. Condolences to the Souza family.

    I agree with this being a preventable accident. You often see tourists doing all kine crazy stuff on the roads. Eh, just cause you missed a street, or you just passed the attraction you were looking for doesn't give you the license to suddenly stop in the middle of the road, or pull illegal U-turns! Brah! Just keep going, and find someplace safe to turn around!

    I know this guy is from Japan, and driving on the opposite side of the road, and driving the car on what is normally his "passenger" side might have contributed to the accident.

    But I'll bet even in Japan you cannot make a left turn from the right lane! :shock:


  14. BananaFysh:

    Oh, and like you said, the laws are so messed up. For real, how can "negligent homicide" be a misdemeanor?!?! WWD! :x

    I think we need a "reboot" for all these laws. Too many stupid kine on the books.


  15. kate:

    My condolences to the families - victims of such a horrible accident.

    I betcha, betcha the driver of the car got confused and wasn't used to driving on the right hand side. Making left turns in Japan is like right turns for us...still stupid to cross another lane to make a turn but bet the guy wasn't thinking. My husband and I rented a car in England where they also drive on the left hand side and all I could do was close eyes and PRAY. Oh, and scream CLOCKWISE! everytime we hit a roundabout (in the US, we go counter clockwise in traffic circles).


  16. kate:

    Hey BF:
    You and I starting to think alike...WWD!!! OH, NO...........!!!


  17. Scott:

    And then there's the whole helmet issue. Maybe another topic, but BL, what's your take on wearing helmets, as a motorcycle rider. Pro/con making it manditory? It's just so hard when you look at the death stats why this state wouldn't make it manditory. I know, I know, personal responsibility, but I think this is one issue where the state should intervene. California did it, and the number of deaths plummeted. It just seems so obvious....


  18. BananaFysh:

    @kate --

    Hey BF:
    You and I starting to think alike...WWD!!! OH, NO...........!!!

    Whatchu mean, "OH NO!!"? How rude!

    You should consider yourself lucky! ;)

    Not everyone can have broken brain like me! :lol:


  19. kikaida:

    Those guys were riding at the wrong place at the wrong time. Condolences to their families and friends. I hardly ride nowadays, but when I do, its in constant defensive mode, which sadly takes away from the joy of just being on the bike. Maybe that's why I save my rides for early Sunday mornings when there's less cagers on the rode. And yes, I use a helmet now too. Murphy's law, especially when riding a motorcycle...


  20. ZX6R:

    Yeah, I couldn't believe that negligent homicide was only a misdemeanor. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. But there is a lot about our criminal justice system that doesn't make sense....

    Scott, I don't know about making helmets mandatory. It is a personal choice, but I NEVER ride without a helmet. I feel naked without it. But you know, you can't always save people from themselves.


  21. M:

    Kate, you could be right that the driver was confused driving on the right hand side but that still is no excuse for what happened. I wouldn't even try to drive in Japan or other countries that drives on the left side. It's too confussing and I would be scared to death.


  22. kate:

    Scott:
    You mean you don't have to wear a helmet in HI? Living in CA I just assumed everyone would for safety reasons. Really stupid not to. I also don't like to see bikers wearing shorts. If they fall, they have absolutely no leg protection at all.

    Here is CA we are also required to wear helmets when riding a bicycle. When my daughter was very little, she wore a helmet when riding her tricycle. I have a niece who did a flip off her bicycle and landed on her head. Her helmet cracked but her skull was ok. If it weren't for the helmet, she would have cracked open her head. The helmet saved her life.


  23. Scott:

    Hi Kate-yeah, crazy isn't it. I'm from California as well and I remember CHP being so efficient about enforcing laws. I think half the cars on Oahu's roads would be immediately cited for various issues of non-compliance if they were in California. This is good if you like memoralizing your deceased family members on the back of your windshield, but not so good if you don't like driving behind cars with broken brake lights. Is what it is, it's all good, though, and I have learned become a very defensive driver here, and that's a good thing as well.


  24. kate:

    Scott:
    Your comment on broken brake lights made me think of an ex-coworker. She got a fix it ticket for a broken brake light. Well, she didn't bother to show up to court so there was a warrant out for her arrest. Late one night (past midnight) I get a call from the police station asking if I would bail her out of jail? The police found and arrested her and threw her in jail. All over a fix it ticket for a broken brake light!

    Yeah, I bailed her out and it took her a year to pay me back (about $250). So if anybody here needs to get bailed out of jail, don't call me.


  25. Braddah Lance:

    Rodney:
    Ichiban

    So-des-ne.
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    jaydee:
    Not to put a dark cloud on the WWD group but I lost my dad several years ago due to a car accident.

    Sorry to hear.

    Accidents are tragic events that sometimes come out ok but most times not. There's always someone who will suffer and that's the tragedy.

    Very well said.
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    Scott:
    I think something can be considered an accident if it falls within the rules of the road.

    Das true.

    That victim's blood is on the hands of the parole board, imho.

    I wondah if he still showed signs of aggression in prison?
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    Tankobu:
    Thank you for this post Braddah Lance! This accident touches close to home for me.

    Hope it didn't put a damper on you. :neutral:

    We are all just a split second away from a possible calamity on the road. Take care everyone, please drive carefully!

    Yup.... in a blink of an eye.
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    islandgirl in nc:
    Accidents, no matter what the cause, are horrible when lives are lost. Recently, a mother and toddler lost their lives here when two cars were allegedly drag racing.

    See, now that's just uncalled for. There should be more than enough venues for racing safely on the mainland.

    Last year, my husband and I were in an accident where our car was totaled.

    Geez, you're having a rough year huh? I sincerely hope things turn around for you and your family. We're still rooting for your husband! :grin:
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    M:
    This accident, if that's what you call it, was totally preventable. It shouldn't have happened at all.

    But at the same time it could have happened to any one of us too.

    I agree with Scott, some of the laws is beyond my comprehension.

    :roll:
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    Ynaku:
    This is a LOSE-LOSE deal. And I agree our laws a backwards. Seems like some crimes can skirt the system. Like they say, people are getting away with murder. So sad.

    Exactly.
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    uji:
    as tanks reminds us, in the blink of an eye, everything can change..
    so let's be careful out there.. count blessings for family health and well-being.. and keep eye out for the other guy at all times..

    Very true.

    they can drive however they're going to drive.. our job is to make sure that they don't take us with when they do..

    :grin:
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    Coconut Willy:
    Not sure why there are so many motorcycle accidents so far this year? Are there more on the road? Is the media just reporting it more?

    Dunno either. I think more so there's more fatalities of riders so it stands out more.

    In any event, like you've always said BL, it's dangerous out there for motorcycle riders. We need to be more careful on both sides of the mirror.

    Too bad there's those who don't look more than once in those reflective thingys. :roll:
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    Ocean Lover:
    Is this a "small world" item? Tonight my wife and I are going to a funeral for the husband of a Souza.....he just passed away, 60 years old.........she works with his wife and the wife lives in Pearl City.

    Well you should know Souza is a pretty popular name in Hawaii but the rider was 46 so no can be.
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    rayboyjr:
    I think most car wrecks occur because of negligence...Now if you blew out a tire or your car malfunctioned and your car swerved into another car, I would call that an accident. That would be hard to avoid. This appears to be a different situation.

    So is any human error automatically considered negligence?


  26. rayboyjr:

    BL: ... No, any human error is not automatically negligence. I wasn't trying to relate the two.

    But I was trying to say that most car wrecks would probably be because of negligent acts like speeding, drunk driving, running red lights, inattentiveness, etc. You can also throw in minor fender benders that happen because of eating, cell phones, texting, or putting on make-up, etc. while driving.


  27. roach:

    BL,
    Maybe the Japanese tourist was using his cellphone or somehow distratcted and was not paying attention to the road. I'm sure that there's no one sorrier than the driver. I am not trying to minimize his guilt but you need to feel for the guy for accidently killing someone during his Hawaiian vacation.
    Long gone are the days when Japanese tourist only travelled in tour buses and followed the tour guide carrying a flag.


  28. Braddah Lance:

    Ocean Lover:
    Sorry.....I just realized the motorcyclist that was killed is a Souza. THAT'S WHAT you're talking about!

    But if the age you said is correct... wrong Souza.
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    BananaFysh:
    I agree with this being a preventable accident. You often see tourists doing all kine crazy stuff on the roads. Eh, just cause you missed a street, or you just passed the attraction you were looking for doesn't give you the license to suddenly stop in the middle of the road, or pull illegal U-turns! Brah! Just keep going, and find someplace safe to turn around!

    Shouldn't mattah if tourist or not - ALL drivahs should do it. I do it. If I miss da cut off, just go to da next one... wat's da big deal yeah?

    But I'll bet even in Japan you cannot make a left turn from the right lane!

    You'd be surprised. I've seen drivahs in Japan and Korea..... they don't even stay in their own lane at da lights. If it's a three lane street..... get like five of 'em next to each oddah ready fo' jump at da green. :shock:

    I think we need a "reboot" for all these laws. Too many stupid kine on the books.

    Exactomondo.
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    kate:
    My husband and I rented a car in England where they also drive on the left hand side and all I could do was close eyes and PRAY. Oh, and scream CLOCKWISE! everytime we hit a roundabout (in the US, we go counter clockwise in traffic circles).

    Hope you did dat with your eyes OPEN. :razz:

    Hey BF:
    You and I starting to think alike...WWD!!! OH, NO...........!!!

    Eh, only can handle one of "you". :lol:
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    Scott:
    And then there's the whole helmet issue. Maybe another topic, but BL, what's your take on wearing helmets, as a motorcycle rider. Pro/con making it manditory?

    Oh boy. :roll: To tell you da truth, I'm NOT for it. It's a choice for da rider. If s/he like go without a helmet, then so be it. If you're going even 50 mph and take a spill there's a lot more that'll kill you before your head trauma: internal bleeding, severed limbs, infections from road rash/skin graphs, hitting rails, cars running you over etc. That'll happen even if you're stopped at a traffic light.

    Helmets are protection yes, but a personal protection. If you haven't ever ridden a bike you won't understand the feeling it has to you to be able to feel the wind in your hair and the cool air.

    I've ridden without a helmet for 14 years and only since getting married had I begun to wear one.... well forced to wear one by Da Wife. Do I not wear it? Seldomly. Only if da conditions are perfect and even then it's just a short ride.

    But now I have a jacket with body armor, helmet, wear jeans and shoes almost always.

    It should always be a matter of choice.... it's your life. Most - not all - people who say to wear a helmet never rode a motorcycle. :roll: It's like us telling Sam Choy how to cook or Nolan Ryan how to throw a fast ball.
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    kikaida:
    I hardly ride nowadays, but when I do, its in constant defensive mode, which sadly takes away from the joy of just being on the bike.

    Yeah but you're still riding.... don't tell me you don't enjoy it even in defensive mode.
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    ZX6R:
    Yeah, I couldn't believe that negligent homicide was only a misdemeanor. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. But there is a lot about our criminal justice system that doesn't make sense....

    :roll:

    Scott, I don't know about making helmets mandatory. It is a personal choice, but I NEVER ride without a helmet. I feel naked without it. But you know, you can't always save people from themselves.

    Bingo.


  29. BananaFysh:

    @BL --

    Shouldn't mattah if tourist or not - ALL drivahs should do it. I do it. If I miss da cut off, just go to da next one... wat's da big deal yeah?

    Yeah, you right. It's just that tourists seem to think that they're entitled to do that kine stupid stuff behind the wheel, since they're unfamiliar with the roads.

    How many times you see near-accidents cause they pull a U-ey in the middle of a busy intersection, even when get CHOKE "NO U TURN" signs! :evil:

    Donkeys! What, no more traffic laws where you came from!?!?!?

    I mean, yeah, I can understand the slow driving when you looking for a certain location, but some of them, just no can. Run da red lights. Do the full-on cut off move, and no "sorry wave." GAH! :x


  30. Brother Love:

    An accident is only considered an accident if the situation follows proper rules of the road and a mishap occurs. This tourist disobeyed signs, he knew what he was doing and did it anyway and lives were lost. I hope he goes to jail and is used for trade bait.
    As for the laws being stupid, yah I gotta agree a lot of stupid laws out there. The 2 laws that you mentioned though (regarding death or injury in auto accidents), I think both versions should receive jail time and not the other way around...


  31. bB:

    my condolences to the family and friends.

    it's a sad day when something like this happens. i know it's easy to blame people and it appears that the van was wrong to make a u turn. but, i'll wait for the facts to come out before i pass judgement. i really don't think it was intenttional too. i think the cops were investigate about the view that the driver had and some other things. it could be contributory on both parties too. they probably weighing in the fact if he was wearing a helmet he may have survive factoring into the lesser charges.

    btw, i don't think this an issue about foreign drivers because i see a lot of mainland tourists doing this on maui all the time.


  32. B:

    my condolences to the Souza family.

    look out for one another, please drive safe everyone.


  33. Braddah Lance:

    M:
    Kate, you could be right that the driver was confused driving on the right hand side but that still is no excuse for what happened.

    Yup. You signed the rental agreement and took on the "risk". But also, there has to be something in place for the foreign nationals that want to drive in the US.... maybe a 15 minute crash course (no pun intended) video about the signs and laws of driving in the US would be helpful, imho.
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    kate:
    Scott:
    You mean you don't have to wear a helmet in HI?

    Nope. And actually until a few years ago keiki didn't even need to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle.
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    Scott:
    Hi Kate-yeah, crazy isn't it. I'm from California as well and I remember CHP being so efficient about enforcing laws.

    I think one of the problems too is that we just don't have the road space to pull people over. We all know where the "traps" are because that's the only place the Police can pull vehicles over safely. Drivers know it and use it towards their advantage.
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    kate:
    Your comment on broken brake lights made me think of an ex-coworker. She got a fix it ticket for a broken brake light. Well, she didn't bother to show up to court so there was a warrant out for her arrest.

    That's another problem here. We don't have enough people in the Sheriff's department to execute warrants.
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    rayboyjr:
    BL: ... No, any human error is not automatically negligence. I wasn't trying to relate the two.

    I figured so but just in case others were thinking it. :grin:

    But I was trying to say that most car wrecks would probably be because of negligent acts like speeding, drunk driving, running red lights, inattentiveness, etc. You can also throw in minor fender benders that happen because of eating, cell phones, texting, or putting on make-up, etc. while driving.

    True dat!
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    roach:
    I'm sure that there's no one sorrier than the driver. I am not trying to minimize his guilt but you need to feel for the guy for accidently killing someone during his Hawaiian vacation.

    Yup. Just like Ynaku said, it's a lose-lose situation. :sad:
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    BananaFysh:
    Yeah, you right. It's just that tourists seem to think that they're entitled to do that kine stupid stuff behind the wheel, since they're unfamiliar with the roads.

    Dat's true. Maybe it's da "vacation mode" thing.
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    Brother Love:
    An accident is only considered an accident if the situation follows proper rules of the road and a mishap occurs. This tourist disobeyed signs

    Was it an illegal U-turn? There wasn't any reports that he took an illegal U-turn.

    I think both versions should receive jail time and not the other way around...

    I think for death but in regards to the injury, it would have to depending on the severity no?
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    bB:
    i really don't think it was intenttional too. i think the cops were investigate about the view that the driver had and some other things. it could be contributory on both parties too. they probably weighing in the fact if he was wearing a helmet he may have survive factoring into the lesser charges.

    I'm sure it wasn't intentional but the helmet thing should be a factor as we have no helmet law in Hawaii.

    btw, i don't think this an issue about foreign drivers because i see a lot of mainland tourists doing this on maui all the time.

    ROGAH DAT!


  34. anklebiters:

    Helmets - you can live without any of your appendages...your chances of survival with a major neurological injury is about nil. If you desire wind blowing throiugh your hair and the open air, drive a convertible ;-)

    BL:

    See ya in November..bowling or golf...I hear that Weber is free and he is ODD. :lol:


  35. M:

    Good afternoon BL! :)

    I was waiting for a new post but you must be busy because it's near da end of da month.


  36. BananaFysh:

    The helmet debate continues. To me, it's up to the rider. If it somehow bothers you to wear it, obstructs your vision, makes you claustrophobic, then don't wear it. Personally, I'd use one if I rode. But that's my choice, right? ;)

    I have a friend that got involved in a motorcycle accident. He was a passenger, and somehow got thrown from the bike. He landed on his face, and got pretty beat up. A helmet would have totally saved his face. But on the flip side, I heard that a helmet might have actually killed him because of the way he hit the ground. It could have possibly caused his skull to separate from his spine, and his face actually absorbed the impact. But that is all speculation and conjecture.

    Who knows, maybe that's true? I dunno. A helmet sure isn't going to save you when a car runs head first into you.

    But I guess the same arguments are made about seatbelts too. Sometimes people get killed because they are wearing them. I think those are the exception however. Maybe same thing for my friend without the helmet. :?


  37. anklebiters:

    kate:

    Can you come bail me out.....PHX airport security arrested me for grabbing the wrong luggage :!: HELP

    I'll pay you back next Tuesday, for a hamburger today :!: :lol:


  38. kate:

    Anklebiters:
    So what's your credit score? You will need to fill out a credit application...

    That's what you get for flying first class. Now you don't even have money for food.


  39. Braddah Lance:

    anklebiters:
    Helmets - you can live without any of your appendages...your chances of survival with a major neurological injury is about nil. If you desire wind blowing throiugh your hair and the open air, drive a convertible

    Das true..... about da appendages. :wink:

    See ya in November..bowling or golf...

    Shoots!
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    M:
    I was waiting for a new post but you must be busy because it's near da end of da month.

    Well Wednesdays are my deadlines but yeah, it's prep time for da EOM.
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    BananaFysh:
    ...A helmet would have totally saved his face. But on the flip side, I heard that a helmet might have actually killed him because of the way he hit the ground.

    Yup, I heard dat too. Same thing with bullet proof vests... some bullets that penetrate actually continue at awkard angles and causing more damage than perhaps a through and through.
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    kate:
    Anklebiters:
    So what's your credit score? You will need to fill out a credit application...

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

    That's what you get for flying first class. Now you don't even have money for food.

    Yeah!